Discussing whether the profit making side of the media industry had won out over content, former "60 Minutes" producer Lowell Bergman (who was played by Al Pacino in the movie "The Insider") told Australia's Radio National, "It's a situation where the class differential between the people who present, so-called presenters, we call them talent when you work inside the network news organisations, between what they make for instance annually, and what the people who work in the industry make, who actually do most of the reporting and production and writing, is just phenomenal. They become part of if you will, the logo of the corporate organisation. An example would be Frontline, the only documentary series on US network television, it's on public television, has an annual budget that is less than the annual salary of the host of the Today Show ... Katie Couric."