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<blockquote>'Iraq is not a winner.' In contrast, he pointed out, Bush’s social security privatization program was unpopular and provided the left with a tangible opportunity for a much-needed political score. We need wins, he said, repeating a mantra I would hear throughout the weekend from several other participants."</blockquote> This merely points it up one more time -- Bush led America into the Iraq quagmire, and MoveOn, albeit unwittingly, is luring progressives into the quagmire of the perpetual warfare state by dangling illusory tactical "wins." The right knows there will be no place for social security in USA-Patriotland. Do the folks at MoveOn know it?